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  • #8631
    a.mos
    Participant

    I have a 80/20 Triathlon plan. My bike workouts show up nicely on Zwift, but my structured running plans wont.

    Is there a workaround to make them show up. I read somewhere, they must be distance based workouts. How can I change my workouts but still run by watt, and make it show up on Zwift?

    #8634
    David Warden
    Keymaster

    A,

    Long answer:

    For a long time, Zwift did not allow for the export of Duration-based run workouts. Zwift would only allow for the export of Distance-based run workouts (but inconsistently required bike workouts to be Duration-based). It was a limitation set by Zwift. Recently, Zwift opened up the export of Duration-based run workouts, but now TrainingPeaks is the bottleneck. I’m assured they are working on allowing Duration-based run workouts from Zwift as soon as possible.

    Until then, the workarounds are not pretty. You can either use a different device for the run, or you can change each run workout to Distance before export to Zwift, which is not easy, as you have to convert each segment of the workout from Duration to you best-guess of the Distance you’d cover in that segment.

    Why don’t we just switch our 80/20 Run workouts from Duration to Distance? Well, most devices actually have the opposite requirement, and prefer or require Duration over Distance, it’s just Zwift that was the outlier. Plus, calculating 80/20 ratios for Distance is less reliable than Duration. Finally, since TP is going to fix this “at any time” we don’t feel we should put the effort into introducing a library of Distance-based workouts.

    I know that stinks for you, the athlete, but I do expect this to be addressed in the future.

    David

    #8636
    a.mos
    Participant

    David, thank you so much for you answer. Well, i guess i just have to wait than 🙂

    #9103
    jaybyrd
    Participant

    Hi, I have the same problem, I bought a Plan and reedit all workouts to distance.

    Does anyone by chance know the required syntax for zwift .zwo running files to work with seconds?

    <SteadyState Duration=”300″ Power=”0.76″/>

    This is for bikes, and can not be used for running, sadly I can not find anything regarding the issue.

    #9109
    David Warden
    Keymaster

    Jaybyrd,

    I spent a couple hours earlier this year trying to hack the Zwift files to work with duration-based run workouts. I’m somewhat of a hacker (I managed to get the Garmin files to work for public download in the workouts library, and am the webmaster for our site) but I could not get this to work either. Hoping someone smarter than me can figure it out.

    For now, the best thing we can do is to complain to Zwift and TrainingPeaks and have them fix it.

    David

    #9435
    jaybyrd
    Participant

    Hi David,

    no clue if Zwift made changes, but now it seems possible to create zwo files based on time. –> https://www.zwiftworkout.com/editor

    
    <workout_file>
      <author/>
      <name/>
      <description/>
      <sportType>run</sportType>
      <durationType>time</durationType>
      <tags/>
      <workout>
        <SteadyState Duration="300" Power="0.76" pace="1"/>
        <SteadyState Duration="300" Power="0.82" pace="1"/>
        <SteadyState Duration="300" Power="0.76" pace="1"/>
      </workout>
    </workout_file>

    Just created a quick test file and it works.

    #9441
    David Warden
    Keymaster

    Cool! The next step is to get TrainingPeaks to now export Duration-based run workouts! I’m on it (I have connections!)

    David

    #11000
    jquagga
    Participant

    Good day,

    Sorry to bump this six months later but I wondered if TP ever resolved this? I switched from a power-based, to a pace-based training plan and I’ve gotten Garmin happy and running. However I was hoping to use Zwift as a “HUD” for running along (so I don’t have to stare at my watch when I’m on the treadmill). As far as I can tell, the normal duration based plans don’t seem to move from TP to Zwift (although, that could certainly be Zwift being buggy). I’ve started to manually build duration based workouts (as show above) and they seem to work fine, however if TP would do it “automagically” that would save the building time.

    #11001
    David Warden
    Keymaster

    J,

    Thanks for checking in. TP never fixed, this…so we did on our own. Sort of. See 80/20 Distance-Based Run Library

    David

    #11249
    thetrickster
    Participant

    Looks like this is now possible with time based workouts

    https://www.trainingpeaks.com/learn/articles/trainingpeaks-feature-updates/

    “New Structured Workout Builder running workout export added. Athletes can now export a structured running workout by duration (time) and % of pace from TrainingPeaks to Zwift. You can learn how to export Structured Workouts from TrainingPeaks to Zwift here.”

    #11271
    David Warden
    Keymaster

    Yes! We’ve been testing this week and can confirm that it’s working for us and our athletes. Distance-based Pace workouts now export to Zwift.

    David

    #11273
    thetrickster
    Participant

    All we need now is for Zwift to implement power based running workouts and we would be golden.

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